Archive for September, 2016

Insight Forest III

September 25, 2016

Again, we’ll continue where Insight Forest II left off…

(5) In the process of all these Changes, we’ll be getting Clearer about Who We Are, now that we’ve loosened our Masks and are more Conscious of our Authenticity, and more Conscious about when and why we get diverted from it.  In particular, we’re likely to be Discovering the Promises we made to ourself, and to others, which still Limit us even though they’re long since obsolete.  There is no downside to disavowing these Oaths, other than temporarily staggering under a blow to our Identity.

(6) One of the things that are likely to become Clear here, is the fuzzy, sticky Relationship between Who We Believe Ourself to Be and our Culture.  We’ve been Believing that it’s our Culture that has been Limiting us; now we’re Discovering that it’s as much or more Us that’s Limiting us, and that our Culture is a panorama to which we directly contribute snapshots.  When We Change, other people Change, and the World around us Changes.  The World is not an Objective Entity outside of ourself; we are a cell in its Body, and our Weltanschauung and its Weltanschauung are intimately connected and in some ways tautologically – though of course Mirrors are involved.

(7) Rebirth is nether Easy nor Simple.  As we become younger and revert to near zero in age, we will Lose track of a lot of Skills.  PIAVA becomes our primary mode of Survival, as PDSA is generally not available to Infants.  Panic and Despair will be great temptations, till we Realize that our species have been in the same situation for at least millions of years.  Sure, a few things have Changed, but the basic premise – Survival – has not.  Breathe, seek Food when hungry, seek a Safe place to Rest when sleepy.  It comes down to Richard Brautigan’s Karma Repair Kit – .

(8) The ultimate Esoteric Purpose behind this Adventure is to bring us to our Abandoned Genius, the “Brilliant, Gorgeous, Talented, and Fabulous Light within us that Most Frightens Us.”  

(7) The Chiron-Veritas/Chaos Square’s Tricolor is Veritas-Chaos Square Chiron Quincunx Haumea Trine Veritas-Chaos; we need to PIAVA or Wonder about how our Rebirth will impact our ability to escape Despair into Miracle, it we are to evoke the fat Trine between Veritas-Chaos and Haumea and Expand our Rebirth into more of What We Really Want.

Insight Forest II

September 25, 2016

We’ll pick up where we left off at the end of Insight Forest I…

(4) What happens when our Unconscious Limiting Beliefs get blown away, and how can we prepare for that?  

Rhetoric is the Language style we use when we assume that whomever we’re talking to has the same Unconscious Beliefs as we do.  I use it a lot, so does Trump.  It’s the Language we use when we’re talking to our Tribe, and it saves us a lot of words.  One of its effect is to make someone from a rival Tribe either Angry or Intimidated.  Since Anger is a Sin in polite society, that ends up being the same as Intimidated.  Problem is, part of the Essence of our Changes is the Insight that we’re All One Tribe.

While some of us may be somewhat Conscious of the basis for our Rhetoric, much of it based on our Unconscious Beliefs, and the Unconscious Belief that someone with different Unconscious Beliefs is Corrupt, Ignorant, Degenerate, Deplorable, or all of the above.  Even if they are all that, our Attitude toward them would be different if they were part of our own Tribe.  We would probably be inspired to educate them – which of course would be received as insulting and condescending, just as we’re insulted when they try to “educate” or brainwash us.

So one of the impacts of Changes in our Unconscious Beliefs, is that we may begin to doubt our own Rhetoric, which could be a serious blow to our Identity.  Most of us to one degree or another Ego-Identify with our Tribe.  We could also just find ourselves more Disturbed than usual by Rhetoric, ours or theirs.  Eventually we’ll have to work out ways to tolerate different Unconscious Beliefs, and communicate Honestly with folks whose Unconscious Beliefs are all screwed up.

At the very least we could Learn to become Conscious of how the Lizards (Rhetoric Alert) use Rhetoric to Manipulate us.  If you have the misfortune of watching the US Unpresidential Debates on 26 September, you’ll get a good Teaching on Rhetoric, and how your Attitude towards it is Changing.  Basically, any Insecurity you Feel could well be linked to Changes in your Unconscious Beliefs and your Unconscious Identity.  Any Discomfort you encounter, it would behoove to Wonder if it might be related to Changes in your Unconscious Beliefs.  You might discover a gap between yourself and old friends or family.

There are three major corollaries to the Collapse of our Unconscious Beliefs, and to our resulting Insecurity.  The first is the impending collapse of our Cultures and Economies (the Waning Saturn-Neptune Square).  The second is the need to Review Who We Believe We Are and Why We Do What We Do, and whether the latter serves the former (Saturn Square to the Nodes).  The third is the Potential or Actual Disruption in our Lives resulting from the Loss of our Masks (Haumea Opposite Uranus-Eris).  Are we indulging Business As Usual and pretending that these Changes may not impact us, or waiting till the last minute to prepare for them?

In the US, September is “Emergency Preparedness Month.”  Are we prepared to see our Cultural, Egoic, and Habitual Foundations disrupted, without resorting to gang violence?

Insight Forest I

September 25, 2016

(1) The primary feature of the 26 September Pluto Station chart is a forest of potential Epiphanies – which forest grows larger into the 28 September Magic Storm and the 30 September New Moon.  With this rush of Insight, many of the recent (and backlog of) Big Unconscious Changes will come into Awareness, accelerating our sense of Progress toward Healing the Planet and shifting our Cultures toward more Cooperation and less Competition.

(2) One of the more important issues here will be…

“Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure.  It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us.  We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, and fabulous?  Actually, who are you not to be? You are a child of God.  Your playing small does not serve the world.  There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people will not feel insecure around you.  We are all meant to shine, as children do.  We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us.  It is not just in some of us; it is in everyone and as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give others permission to do the same.  As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others. ”  — 

(3) Keep your Attention focused on your Deepest Desires, your Mission, your Held Emotions, and your Hidden Skills.  Since your Mission and Hidden Skills aren’t front and center, you can accelerate the process by PIAVAing Insights about both.  Your Held Emotions are probably also covered by layers of “excuses” why you can’t Open up to them, often to the point of complete Obfuscation, so you’ll also gain from PIAVAing that you Lovingly and Gently Learn Important Things about the Emotions you regard as Untouchable.

(4) Many of our Limiting and Unconscious Beliefs will be getting blown open here.  It’s important to prepare for this.  We’ll explain why and how in Insight Forest II, coming soon to a computer screen near you.

(5-8) We’ll also finish translating the other four major elements of the chart in Insight Forest II.

(1) The Pluto Station chart features two T-Squares whose foci are separated by a Trioctile, Creating four Mjolnirs.

A Mjolnir (which is Norwegian for Thor’s Hammer) is a Square with a fourth planet at the Far Midpoint, making two Trioctiles pointing at the fourth planet.  You could think of it, very appropriately, as a Trioctile Yod.  While it’s common for folks to think of Thor’s Hammer as a paragon of Destructiveness, in fact it’s more appropriately seen as an Irresistable Force.  Like the Artemesia Deva says in The Findhorn Garden, you Hupers shy away from Power, but to us, more Power means we can better serve God. 

More about Power when we consider the upcoming Magic Storm, which will follow from a chart packed with Seventh-Harmonic Angles.

The Octile or Eighth Harmonic is about Adjustment and Rebalancing, while the Third Harmonic is about Compassion or Love with Wisdom.  Putting those two principles together we interpret the Trioctile as Making Adjustments toward Balance and Wholeness.

The Trioctile Yod or Mjolnir then says Pay Attention to Making Adjustments toward Balance and Wholeness, which often unfolds as Insights or Epiphanies.

The four Mjolnirs point to…

  • (2) The Saturn Mjolnir is based on a Square between Chiron and Veritas-Chaos, which we can read very directly as…

(3) Saturn also T-Squares the Nodes, with Orcus on the South Node and Neptune on the North Node.  

While the T-Square implies Mastery through Challenge, the Mjolnir shows us a Path through the Challenge.

Which in this case is…

  • (4) The Vesta Mjolnir is based on the Square between Saturn and the Neptune-South Node Conjunction.  Vesta is also the focus of the T-Square based on the Opposition between Haumea and Uranus-Eris…
  • (5) The Uranus-Eris Mjolnir, which is based on the Square from Saturn to Orcus-North Node.  Uranus-Eris, recall, was Exact again today.
  • (6) The Neptune-South Node Mjolnir, based on the Vesta-Haumea Square.

(7) The Square from Chiron to Veritas-Chaos is not part of a T-Square.  However, with Haumea, it’s part of a Tricolor.

(8) The Tricolor and the Vesta T-Square are connected by a Golden Rectangle, formed by the Haumea-Uranus/Eris Opposition, and an Opposition between Veritas-Chaos and Ixion-Pholus

Soul Truth

September 25, 2016

A quick note before we get into the details about Pluto’s (Direct) Station, which occurs at 8am PDT on 26 September…

At 5am PDT on 25 September, after crossing dwarf planet Eris (Revealing Denial) in mid-June, Uranus (our Individual Soul) has come back to cross Eris for the second time.  In a typical second crossing, whatever difficulties we encountered at the initial crossing, are explicated for us.  

We refer to the first event in a series as the “Can-Opener,” because we’re often caught off guard when it often opens up a “Can of Worms” that we weren’t expecting.  We call the second event an “Exposition” because if we’re Listening, it Reveals to us what it is that the Can-Opener was trying to Teach us.  If we aren’t Listening, it feels like the Worms have turned into Snakes.  Of course, everyone who’s been reading this blog all along was well prepared, right?  So now we’re Learning more about Who We Really Are, as opposed to Who We’ve Been Pretending to Be.  We may have realized in June which parts of our Persona were Masks, but now we’re taking them off.

As an example, what if in mid-June we discovered that we were really in the wrong profession, but we were shocked by the discovery, so we scrambled to cover our tracks, and succeeded in pretending we were happy and competent.  Well, now, especially in the last week, we’re likely to be getting our ingenuousness rubbed in our face.  On the other hand, if in June we started planning an orderly transition, then last week was more likely a major milestone in our shift.

Or maybe in June our Deep Self felt seriously betrayed by our Pleaser, but we didn’t make any meaningful Changes because we didn’t want to rock the boat.  Then now we’re probably looking at another slightly different situation where by Pleasing other People we Abandon ourself, but this time maybe we can start to see how we can be more Genuine without burning any bridges.  Or we Realize that we’re still trying to Please our childhood Significant Adults, and that our Present Moment situation is in fact entirely different, we just weren’t seeing that because in June we were Regressed.

This whole adventure is much deepened by a couple of other astroevents that we’ll discuss more when we talk about the Pluto Station…

At noon on 26 September Saturn Squares the Nodes.  Even without Orcus (Oath-Breaking) on the North Node and Neptune on the South Node, this would bring several to many Lifetimes’ worth of Complications to the whole Authenticity issue.   Plus, at around 7pm PDT on 26 September, the Moon (which itself means Athenticity) crosses the asteroid Karma.  And, in a few weeks asteroid Veritas (Truth) will be Initiated by dwarf planet Chaos (No Limits), and they’re already well within two Degrees of Sensitivity.  

And the Rebirth (Haumea) of our Authenticity will be Creating big shifts in our Unconscious Beliefs (Vesta), as Vesta T-Squares Haumea and Uranus-Eris.  Besides all that, Ixion-Pholus (Becoming Fully Responsible to Express our Hidden Genius) and Veritas-Chaos Bridge the Haumea-Uranus/Eris Opposition in a Golden Rectangle.  And the two T-Squares (Saturn to the Nodes and Vesta to Haumea-Uranus/Eris) make Mjolnirs with one another, promising lots of Epiphanies about the Relationships between our Karmic History and our Authenticity and lack thereof.  

But we’ll get to all this when we talk about Pluto.  Pluto, remember, means it’s Happening, whether we like it or not, and whether we’re Conscious of it or not.  We can steer, but we have no brakes.  If we’re Conscious of what’s going on, we can steer into it, they way we would, hopefully, if we were starting to slide on an icy Mountain pass.  Don’t waste any Energy on Resistance here – it’s futile.   

Self-Love – Mind and Body

September 22, 2016

I Love it when folks say what I want to say but say it far better than I ever could!  Here are a couple of those that are timely – long, but more than worth it…

Self-Love and Self-Respect…


With thanks to Eliza Ayres ( ), Pauline Battell ( ) and Stephanie Lucas ( ) for the paths to finding them.

Plutonox Footnote

September 22, 2016

It’s pretty technical, but a “side effect” of the 26 September Pluto Station is another step up in the Planet’s Consciousness of the Feminine.  There are two takeaways from this.

First, Respect for All Things will become more prominent in the Planetary mindscape.  By “All Things” we mean All Sentient Beings, but we include literally All Entities in the category of Sentient Beings.  And by Entity we mean anything the mind can split off into a separate Thing.  So we mean not just a Critter, but a Plant, a Rock, Gravel, a Dust Mote.  The Universe is Consciousness; Matter is a minor side effect, and Identity is an artifice.

Second, here’s a quote from Sir William Golding, a British poet…

“I think women are foolish to pretend they are equal to men, they are far superior and always have been.  Whatever you give a woman, she will make greater.  If you give her sperm, she’ll give you a baby.  If you give her a house, she’ll give you a home.  If you give her groceries, she’ll give you a meal.  If you give her a smile, she’ll give you her heart.  She multiplies and enlarges what is given to her.  So, if you give her any crap, be ready to receive a ton of shit!”

Very relevant to our Respect for Mother Earth, Mother Nature, and the other Goddess Entities.

Pluto is one shoulder of a “Tricolor Kite” – a Tricolor Configuration with a fourth planet at the Near Midpoint of the Trine side of the Tricolor.

The Tricolor is Mercury-Hopi Square Asbolus Quincunx Stationary Pluto Trine Mercury-Hopi, meaning that…

Any Yes-Buts you encounter around Respect for All Things, PIAVA “I Wonder how that will unfold.”  With Pluto involved, you know it will unfold, so we may as well just go through the exercise of converting our Yes-Buts to Yes-Ands now, so we’ll be better prepared when it does unfold.

This (27-28 September) is actually a Hopi-Mercury Confidence-Builder; the Exposition was 20 September, and the Can-Opening Hopi-Mercury Initiation took place 29-30 July at 30 Leo, a Degree which means that…

“Our” Thoughts, like “our” Feelings, are Fields.  It’s not as if we had a Thought or a Feeling, we Sensed it out of the immense Background Noise surrounding us.  Think Radio Waves and Weather – we’re bathed in Radio Waves constantly.  Stars emit them, they come from TV stations, radio stations, short wave radios, cellphone towers, the passing police car, your neighbors’ wi-fi, your microwave oven, your cellphone and portable phone, your remotes, and your wireless mouse, just to name the most obvious Intentional sources.  We, via our gadgets, tune to a particular Frequency if we want to tune in to their specific vibe.

We also tune in, Consciously or otherwise and Intentionally or otherwise, to many Frequencies, without bothering to use gadgets.  Our Physical-Energy-Spirit Bodies – our very Mitochondria – are antennas.  Without the gadget to translate, the Intended Meaning of the information often doesn’t make a lot of sense.  Training as an Intuitive helps, but since the Potential is Unlimited, we’re always Selecting, usually Unconsciously.

That’s how our Abandonment works, just as an example.  When our Significant Adults Abandoned us while we did not yet have any Survival Tools of our own, it Sensitized our Antenna to Abandonment Thoughts and Emotions.  The Frequency and Scope of our Abandonment Training determined the shape, directionality, and sensitivity of our Abandonment Antenna.  

Not to overemphasize Abandonment – we could just as well be dealing with our Suffocation (when someone Overfocuses on us or Expects something from us that we aren’t eager to provide) or our Avarice.

So we’re literally drowning in this Sea of Radio Noise.  Not to mention all of the other Frequencies, and that’s just EMF; how about all of the other Dimensions that our Scienterrific friends don’t know how to measure yet?  Thought waves and fields and their complementary Emotion waves and fields are probably out in those as-yet unidentified Dimensions.  As a species we haven’t even got to kindergarten yet.  It’s remarkable that many of us can still shut most of it out.  I know too many people whose Energy Body is thrown all akilter by it.

And we see how each of us has an Unconscious tuner to adjust our antenna.  We tune to the Abandonment channel one minute (Thoughts and Emotions both; they operate in a closed loop till we Cancel-Neutralize-Upgrade or Tap them Out or Recognize and Self-Empathize or …), the Suffocation channel the next, then the Competition channel, the Fear channel, the Anger channel, the Acquisition channel, the Violence channel, etc etc, ad infinitum and ad nauseum.

Then there’s the Weather element.  High pressure and storms this week on the Violence channel in North Carolina and Oklahoma.  A permanent high pressure system on the Abandonment channel parked over the Middle East, and a permanent disturbance on the Exploitation channel over Texas. Someone down the block has a Death in the family, and your neighborhood forecast includes showers as the Grief channel amps up.

Phew.  Didn’t know a single Degree could be so complex, did you.  But we’re actually looking at Hopi-Mercury in that Degree Square Asbolus (Intuition) – which, recall, was Stationary a week ago, and is still within an arcminute of the Station.  It’s our Intuition that interprets what we do pick out of the Noise.

Now, how do our women-friends fit in?  The Juno-Lilith Conjunction is at the Midpoint between Hopi-Mercury and the Stationary Pluto.  Juno-Lilith, which was Exact on 11 September, means that…

More of our Yindependence and Yintuition are coming into Consciousness.  This has been going on for a while.

Juno-Lilith sits at the focus of the Tricolor Kite, the arrowhead if we see the Kite as a drawn bow ready to fire an arrow.  The secondary impact is the Finger of God pointing at Asbolus, on the base of the Sextile from Juno-Lilith to Pluto, which says Pay Attention to your Intuition.

There’s a little extra kicker thrown in here by newly-Leoed Varuna at the Midpoint of the Square between Hopi-Mercury and Asbolus.  The implication is that these Changes and Realizations are taking place at the level of our Cells.

Libranox, Chaos Knocks, Plutonox

September 21, 2016

Since most of the Huge Reboot events are still unfolding, it’s a decent map for our next three and twelve months.  We can consider each Equinox and Solstice chart to be Strong for the following three months, and to remain in the background for the nine months after that.  

In terms of “planning your day” (22 September, that is), the Equinox occurs just after 7am PDT, but the Big Deal of the day will be around half-past noon PDT, when the Moon crosses a very Stationary dwarf planet Chaos – Unlimited Potential.  That should be entertaining.  If you’ve been Emotional lately, maybe noticing that with “Everything Changed” you’re Grieving what you no longer have even if you really wanted something better all along, your Emotionality may Expand around this time.  Remember to Tap.

Then, with that Makemake-Jupiter-Sappho Triple Initiation (“MJS”) just completed on the Cusp of Libra, for the next five days the Sun will be crossing all three of them, Lighting Up our Self-Love and Self-Rejection; Self-Love for Reinforcing it and Self-Rejection so you can bring it into Consciousness and Heal it.  Bringing it into Consciousness means you Shift from “Nobody Likes Me!” to “Oh, I’m Feeling Rejected.”

That’s a big Shift, from Believing the Stories to Being Aware of the Feelings.  Next step – to be Lovingly Aware of the Feelings.  “You poor Sweetheart, you’re Feeling Rejected, aren’t you.”  We all have Abandonment issues to one degree or another.  Whenever you Feel Rejected, it’s very useful to recognize “Oh, I’m Feeling My Abandonment,” rather than “I’m Feeling Abandoned,” which implies “I’m Feeling [that someone has] Abandoned [Me].”

If it’s my old friend My Abandonment, then we know it’s been there all along, it just got Lit Up.  As Jimmy Buffet would say, “But I know, it’s my own damn fault.”  We can deal with it as an Emotion, one of our very own.  If we’re Being Abandoned, then it’s Somebody Else who’s to Blame for Creating our Pain, and since we have no Control over anyone except ourself, we’re screwed.  All we can do is Sulk, Beg, Bully, Manipulate, Throw a Tantrum, or Outcompete their Victim and Hope for Pity.  Then we’d get to deal with Feeling Pitiful.  Self-Love’s a lot more Fun. Even Loving our Abandonment is more Fun!

Meanwhile, there’s a Bigger Story developing in the background that will soon drown everything else out – Pluto is Stationary, and turns Direct on 26 September at 8am PDT, just as the Sun finishes crossing the “MJS” gauntlet.  Great – we can contaminate our Blame and Self-Pity with Ego Death.  More Entertainment!  We can indulge “I’d rather Die than Be Abandoned again” or we can Shift to “I’d rather Die” – it’s more likely my Identity that’s Crossing Over, not “me” per se.  It’s still the same “Me,” just with a different clown suit.

Pluto will Transform or Trance(Re)form us if we let it, or make us wish we had.  Take a hint from that “Trance” word – we can Dis-Identify with Archetypes here if we’re willing.  Maybe the Archetype of Blame or Self-Pity, or even Abandonment – wouldn’t that be groovy.  Did I mention that Mercury turned Direct on 21 September?

Ongoing Mental Debate

September 20, 2016

Several folks have written to mention that their “ongoing mental debate” is blooming.  That’s called Anxiety.  “You poor Sweetheart, you’re in Anxiety again, aren’t you.”  Then Change the Subject and move on to the next Emotion.  Not the next mental “helicopter trip,” but the next Emotion,  It’s all about Expanding our Self-Love so we Manifest more than just Indecision or Self-Judgment or Conditional Self-Love.  

Sure, we all have internal Conflicts, but why Manifest them into external Reality.  We actually want Both/And – the notion that we have to solve some mental debate is an element of Self-Sabotage, a remnant of past Abuse.  Next time you catch yourself stuck going around and around in the mind, just PIAVA Both/And, and Change the Subject.  It won’t “make sense,” but that’s only because we’re seeing through a glass darkly.

Makemake Infestation

September 19, 2016

Interesting that Manifestation and Infestation are so similar – I was going to call this Makemakifestation, but it sounded too much like the latter.  Maybe because Manfesting Infestation is so easy since Infesters are so eager to help.  With thanks to Isaac George at , and recalling that we’re just a few hours past the Makemake-Jupiter Initiation (literally, Expansion of Manifestation), here’s a fabulous story on Manifestation…

An excellent example of the Pay Attention phase of PIAVAing.

Work on developing your natal and transiting Seventh-Harmonic Angles (Septiles, Biseptiles, Triseptiles) if you want to Learn how to exercise Perfect Timing.

My own story comes from a colleague.  It was a couple of days early, this happened somewhere in the space between 17 and 18 September.  They were in one of those half-trance, half-sleep states, and encountered this Vision-Dream-Hologram…

Headache.  Pain worse than childbirth (she would know).  “Paul the Alien” (tall, neon green fellow, not unfamiliar to her; I’ve met this fellow, or a relative of his) is standing behind her using his fingers like a Mixmaster in her brain.  Hurts so much that she can’t get it together to speak.  Finally she blurts out “Stop!” and lifts an arm to wave Paul the Alien’s hand away.  

No luck, he just comes on stronger with the fingers of the other hand.  Finally he slows down and the pain begins to subside.  He stops, goes on his way.  My colleague, who has had fogbrain since incurring two concussions, reports that after Paul’s intervention, her thoughts are clearer than they were before the concussions.

Yes, we’re coming up on Mercury Direct again, 21 September at 10:30pm PDT.  My personal bias is that the influence of Mercury, like the other planets, is Strongest when it’s Stationary.  So if you’re planning some important Communication or Negotiation or travel, the best time to do it would be before the Station.  Don’t take my word for it; test it out.  Make some relatively but not crucially important Communication several hours before the Station, and another several hours after.  Then a day later, check to see which Communication was more effective.  Let me know the result.

But don’t think most of what you’re Experiencing has much to do with Mercury.  In addition to the Huge-Reboot Makemake-Jupiter-Sappho Triple Initiation (see previous twelve posts), dwarf planet Chaos – Unlimited Potential – is also Stationary, turning Retrograde at 11am PDT on 23 September.  After last weekend, we should Expect to encounter any number of things that seem “Too Good to be True.”

Chaos remember Opposes Mars-Ixion-Pholus, which Opposition Squared the Chiron Full Moon.

The net effect of all this is that we’re being Asked to Stand Still for the pain of our Despair over whatever Abuse caused us to Abandon our Greatest Talent, and Take Full Responsibility to Manifest the Unique Skills of our Hidden Natural Genius.

A Case for Optimism

September 18, 2016

The Information I Channel is different in many ways from the sort of Information in the following blog…

But you know, there isn’t really that much difference.  There’s nothing there that I would “argue” with, and it’s a valuable Perspective to have in your quiver.  Eh, Mr. Jones?